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	<title>Comments on: Educating Clients: A Freelance Designer&#039;s Perspective and An Old/New Idea From The Underground</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to know what constitutes &quot;getting it&quot; from the perspective of a copywriter and an art director.

For example, I love innovative, interesting typography, but hate it when good headlines are reduced to unreadable &quot;graphic elements.&quot;

Stuff like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to know what constitutes &#8220;getting it&#8221; from the perspective of a copywriter and an art director.</p>
<p>For example, I love innovative, interesting typography, but hate it when good headlines are reduced to unreadable &#8220;graphic elements.&#8221;</p>
<p>Stuff like that.</p>
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		<title>By: makethelogobigger</title>
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		<dc:creator>makethelogobigger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the same true of writers. As an art director, finding one who &#039;gets itâ€™ isnâ€™t easy. This is more a problem when working from the local talent pool. Often times, I find myself going back to someone I trust, even though theyâ€™re halfway across the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the same true of writers. As an art director, finding one who &#8216;gets itâ€™ isnâ€™t easy. This is more a problem when working from the local talent pool. Often times, I find myself going back to someone I trust, even though theyâ€™re halfway across the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David; Thanks for the comment and the post concept.

It&#039;s an interesting idea. I used to work almost exclusively with marketing directors, art directors and production talent, but over the last few years the numbers of collaborators has multiplied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David; Thanks for the comment and the post concept.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting idea. I used to work almost exclusively with marketing directors, art directors and production talent, but over the last few years the numbers of collaborators has multiplied.</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Airey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar to Lisa, I have different sets of questions in PDF form that I send to clients.

A set is chosen depending on what the project is, be it creating a logo, a brand package, an annual report design etc. etc.

This does two things. Firstly it lets the client know that I&#039;m serious in my practices and secondly gives me a big head start on the design process. The more information a client gives me ahead of time, the faster I can arrive at a solution that they&#039;re happy with.

One interesting point was made in the comments on this post, and that was about teaming a web developer up with a copywriter in order to provide a &#039;full package&#039; product. That&#039;s a topic worth a new post I reckon - the service copywriters offer and who they team up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar to Lisa, I have different sets of questions in PDF form that I send to clients.</p>
<p>A set is chosen depending on what the project is, be it creating a logo, a brand package, an annual report design etc. etc.</p>
<p>This does two things. Firstly it lets the client know that I&#8217;m serious in my practices and secondly gives me a big head start on the design process. The more information a client gives me ahead of time, the faster I can arrive at a solution that they&#8217;re happy with.</p>
<p>One interesting point was made in the comments on this post, and that was about teaming a web developer up with a copywriter in order to provide a &#8216;full package&#8217; product. That&#8217;s a topic worth a new post I reckon &#8211; the service copywriters offer and who they team up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Gates</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2007/02/07/educating-clients-a-freelance-designers-perspective-and-an-oldnew-idea-from-the-underground/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, thanks for the question, and I&#039;m glad everyone&#039;s so quiet with work.

For my coaching clients I do have a &quot;pre-commitment&quot; set of questions I ask to determine readiness. I also have basic guidelines, structures and descriptions of what our work will be.

That said, I have to say most of the training happens in conversation. Even if I give them a fact sheet, it&#039;s not until they&#039;re inside the project (or inside coaching) that the fact sheet has practical relevance. I think it&#039;s the same with freelancing. Clients think they understand at the outset, and then they get into it and discover something altogether different. The value of having this info is as a reference tool, adds credibility and professionalism, and serves as &quot;I told you so&quot; if you have to go there.

I am just getting back into freelancing after a 15-year absence, so all my tools and practices are in the development stage yet again. Lots to learn here, because the world is now flat again, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thanks for the question, and I&#8217;m glad everyone&#8217;s so quiet with work.</p>
<p>For my coaching clients I do have a &#8220;pre-commitment&#8221; set of questions I ask to determine readiness. I also have basic guidelines, structures and descriptions of what our work will be.</p>
<p>That said, I have to say most of the training happens in conversation. Even if I give them a fact sheet, it&#8217;s not until they&#8217;re inside the project (or inside coaching) that the fact sheet has practical relevance. I think it&#8217;s the same with freelancing. Clients think they understand at the outset, and then they get into it and discover something altogether different. The value of having this info is as a reference tool, adds credibility and professionalism, and serves as &#8220;I told you so&#8221; if you have to go there.</p>
<p>I am just getting back into freelancing after a 15-year absence, so all my tools and practices are in the development stage yet again. Lots to learn here, because the world is now flat again, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa; I think everyone&#039;s slammed with work. I know I am - to the point that getting a blog post up seems like a major accomplishment...

My &quot;Creative Brief&quot; usually runs at 1-2 pages when fully filled out, but it&#039;s not designed to educate like the fact sheets I described above.

Still, I&#039;m curious. Do you ever use some kind of &quot;presume&quot; or contract-with-myself form with your writer clients?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa; I think everyone&#8217;s slammed with work. I know I am &#8211; to the point that getting a blog post up seems like a major accomplishment&#8230;</p>
<p>My &#8220;Creative Brief&#8221; usually runs at 1-2 pages when fully filled out, but it&#8217;s not designed to educate like the fact sheets I described above.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m curious. Do you ever use some kind of &#8220;presume&#8221; or contract-with-myself form with your writer clients?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Gates</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2007/02/07/educating-clients-a-freelance-designers-perspective-and-an-oldnew-idea-from-the-underground/comment-page-1/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn, I was hoping to see lots of action on this topic, as I am in the research and destroy phase with a &quot;Do-it-Yourself Build it All Website&quot; client who wants to partner with writers in their packaging.

I do have a longer q&#039;aire I use when I work with a designer friend (of course) on web projects that looks at plans, goals, needs, outcomes.  I may adapt it, but I like the quickie fact sheet idea for starting points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn, I was hoping to see lots of action on this topic, as I am in the research and destroy phase with a &#8220;Do-it-Yourself Build it All Website&#8221; client who wants to partner with writers in their packaging.</p>
<p>I do have a longer q&#8217;aire I use when I work with a designer friend (of course) on web projects that looks at plans, goals, needs, outcomes.  I may adapt it, but I like the quickie fact sheet idea for starting points.</p>
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