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		<title>Comment on When It Comes To Facebook, Marketers Should &#8220;Like&#8221; Reality by TC</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2012/05/19/when-it-comes-to-facebook-marketers-should-like-reality/#comment-9909</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 18:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if this won&#039;tprove to be the year that more advertisers bail on Facebook&#039;s paid service, focusing on the content side of things. 

I remain amazed at the number of marketers who have invested so much into their social media &quot;brand&quot; they can&#039;t be even remotely objective about it. And certainly, this is one area where perception and reality diverge. 

After all, we&#039;re watching more TV, not less. And email and search still offer the highest ROI to online marketers. SM has its good points, but everything else does too. A lesson often forgotten amidst the hype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if this won&#8217;tprove to be the year that more advertisers bail on Facebook&#8217;s paid service, focusing on the content side of things. </p>
<p>I remain amazed at the number of marketers who have invested so much into their social media &#8220;brand&#8221; they can&#8217;t be even remotely objective about it. And certainly, this is one area where perception and reality diverge. </p>
<p>After all, we&#8217;re watching more TV, not less. And email and search still offer the highest ROI to online marketers. SM has its good points, but everything else does too. A lesson often forgotten amidst the hype.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When It Comes To Facebook, Marketers Should &#8220;Like&#8221; Reality by Rachael Sarah Williams</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2012/05/19/when-it-comes-to-facebook-marketers-should-like-reality/#comment-9908</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael Sarah Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 17:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post! I&#039;m delighted to see someone introduce a little sanity to the whole &quot;social media marketing&quot; hoopla. While I realize SMM can be wonderful for many things (heck, I found this blog post via Twitter), in many cases it&#039;s basically an electronic version of high school: &quot;So-and-So &#039;likes&#039; So-and-So. OMGOMGOMG!&quot; We have to learn where to draw the line between helpful and silly. Sounds as if someone at GM finally did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post! I&#8217;m delighted to see someone introduce a little sanity to the whole &#8220;social media marketing&#8221; hoopla. While I realize SMM can be wonderful for many things (heck, I found this blog post via Twitter), in many cases it&#8217;s basically an electronic version of high school: &#8220;So-and-So &#8216;likes&#8217; So-and-So. OMGOMGOMG!&#8221; We have to learn where to draw the line between helpful and silly. Sounds as if someone at GM finally did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have Heroes: Copywriter Tom McElligott by TC</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2012/05/16/have-heroes-copywriter-tom-mcelligott/#comment-9907</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how well &quot;Minnesota School&quot; advertising translates to the online world. The clean, straightforward art direction seems like a good fit, yet online advertising is often confined to business card sized plots. Given the length of the headlines, I suspect it&#039;s a tough fit. 

Then there are the societal issues; I&#039;d suggest advertisers are unwilling to take the same creative chances they did in the 80s and 90s. I looked through all the Fallon McElligott ads in two of my ad annuals and wondered how many simply wouldn&#039;t be released today. 

Finally, even though it looks simple, it&#039;s pretty damned hard to write the headlines. When I started in this biz, ad campaigns lasted a long time and it was pretty common to sink some effort into them. Today, most online marketing feels like throwaway work; it&#039;s got a half life of one month, so there&#039;s little point in investing the time it takes to create a half-dozen really good ad concepts. 

I alluded to this in the post; the Internet hasn&#039;t prohibited the Big Idea, but sometimes it does seem like a luxury instead of a necessity.

Of course, this could all be the rantings of deluded old guy; feel free to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how well &#8220;Minnesota School&#8221; advertising translates to the online world. The clean, straightforward art direction seems like a good fit, yet online advertising is often confined to business card sized plots. Given the length of the headlines, I suspect it&#8217;s a tough fit. </p>
<p>Then there are the societal issues; I&#8217;d suggest advertisers are unwilling to take the same creative chances they did in the 80s and 90s. I looked through all the Fallon McElligott ads in two of my ad annuals and wondered how many simply wouldn&#8217;t be released today. </p>
<p>Finally, even though it looks simple, it&#8217;s pretty damned hard to write the headlines. When I started in this biz, ad campaigns lasted a long time and it was pretty common to sink some effort into them. Today, most online marketing feels like throwaway work; it&#8217;s got a half life of one month, so there&#8217;s little point in investing the time it takes to create a half-dozen really good ad concepts. </p>
<p>I alluded to this in the post; the Internet hasn&#8217;t prohibited the Big Idea, but sometimes it does seem like a luxury instead of a necessity.</p>
<p>Of course, this could all be the rantings of deluded old guy; feel free to disagree.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have Heroes: Copywriter Tom McElligott by How to Find a Briliant Copywriter &#124; Web Traffic Solutions for Network Marketing &#124; TrafficCpanel.com</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2012/05/16/have-heroes-copywriter-tom-mcelligott/#comment-9906</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Find a Briliant Copywriter &#124; Web Traffic Solutions for Network Marketing &#124; TrafficCpanel.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Searching for a Terrific CopywriterFinding A Great CopywriterHow to decide on a expert copywriterThere Are Lies, Damn Lies and Website CopyGary Halbert, Direct Response Copywriter, Lives on Through Doberman Dan&#8217;s NewsletterHave Heroes: Copywriter Tom McElligott [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Searching for a Terrific CopywriterFinding A Great CopywriterHow to decide on a expert copywriterThere Are Lies, Damn Lies and Website CopyGary Halbert, Direct Response Copywriter, Lives on Through Doberman Dan&#8217;s NewsletterHave Heroes: Copywriter Tom McElligott [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Zuckerberg, The Musical by mollie bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>mollie bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 23:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very entertaining</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very entertaining</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Marketing Writer&#8217;s Homage to Email by When It Comes To Facebook, Marketers Should &#8220;Like&#8221; Reality &#8211; - The Writer UndergroundThe Writer Underground</title>
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		<dc:creator>When It Comes To Facebook, Marketers Should &#8220;Like&#8221; Reality &#8211; - The Writer UndergroundThe Writer Underground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 15:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via traditional, &#8220;you kids get off my lawn&#8221; media like direct mail, TV ads or the dead-and-buried-several-times-already email [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] via traditional, &#8220;you kids get off my lawn&#8221; media like direct mail, TV ads or the dead-and-buried-several-times-already email [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have Heroes: Copywriter Tom McElligott by Graham Strong</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2012/05/16/have-heroes-copywriter-tom-mcelligott/#comment-9901</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 15:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tom, 

The thing about this type of advertising, I think, is that it is perfect for the times today. Those magazine ads like the ones you&#039;ve included -- they&#039;re quick, to the point, and have very few words.

It was interesting -- when the Internet first became popular, writers and website owners loved the fact that now you could have as many words as you wanted for free (or at least you didn&#039;t pay any more for the extra ones...) But ironically, it turned website visitors into skimmers and clickers -- if they didn&#039;t read what they wanted immediately, they knew something better was just a few seconds away.

So how do you combat that? By grabbing attention in half a second. Much like these ads did. I think you&#039;re right when you say copywriters could do a lot worse than imitate McElligott -- his style could be the future of web content writing.

~Graham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tom, </p>
<p>The thing about this type of advertising, I think, is that it is perfect for the times today. Those magazine ads like the ones you&#8217;ve included &#8212; they&#8217;re quick, to the point, and have very few words.</p>
<p>It was interesting &#8212; when the Internet first became popular, writers and website owners loved the fact that now you could have as many words as you wanted for free (or at least you didn&#8217;t pay any more for the extra ones&#8230;) But ironically, it turned website visitors into skimmers and clickers &#8212; if they didn&#8217;t read what they wanted immediately, they knew something better was just a few seconds away.</p>
<p>So how do you combat that? By grabbing attention in half a second. Much like these ads did. I think you&#8217;re right when you say copywriters could do a lot worse than imitate McElligott &#8212; his style could be the future of web content writing.</p>
<p>~Graham</p>
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		<title>Comment on Working Writers: Matthew Stibbe by TC</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2012/05/10/working-writers-matthew-stibbe/#comment-9899</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 16:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-9896&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-9896&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matthew&#032;Stibbe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:  You’re welcome over at the Bad Language mansion any time for a beer!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I assume you&#039;ll send the company 787 to pick us up.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-9896" rel="nofollow">Matthew&#32;Stibbe</a></strong>:  You’re welcome over at the Bad Language mansion any time for a beer!</p></blockquote>
<p>I assume you&#8217;ll send the company 787 to pick us up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekly Tweetfest by TC</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2012/05/13/weekly-tweetfest-136/#comment-9898</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a while I administered blogs for a couple fly fishing writers. One was a good-looking woman, who -- despite posting rarely and almost never posting about fly fishing -- continued to get better traffic numbers than any of the committed, hard-working male bloggers. 

Gotta love men; we&#039;re pathetic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a while I administered blogs for a couple fly fishing writers. One was a good-looking woman, who &#8212; despite posting rarely and almost never posting about fly fishing &#8212; continued to get better traffic numbers than any of the committed, hard-working male bloggers. </p>
<p>Gotta love men; we&#8217;re pathetic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekly Tweetfest by Ed</title>
		<link>http://writerunderground.com/2012/05/13/weekly-tweetfest-136/#comment-9897</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I read the deadspin article right after it came out, it&#039;s no New Yorker, but it can be an entertaining site.  It&#039;s a shame when even writers have to be good looking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I read the deadspin article right after it came out, it&#8217;s no New Yorker, but it can be an entertaining site.  It&#8217;s a shame when even writers have to be good looking.</p>
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